This answer was received in an hour after my message was send. I do not show the e-mail addresses and the full names with the propose not to reveal identities of the pastors who should not be the pastors. In my opinion pastors have to be wise and do not make comments without a proof. Maybe it is only my opinion...
Never in my life I was called a lair. I never add, never took away from the Word of God. To make a statement like this you need at first to understand what I'm talking about.
> Dear Irina:
> I have visited your very interesting website. Your passion
> for the Word and for ministry is very much appreciated, even
> though I hold to a different view on some of your beliefs.
> You may find the following website to be of interest:
> www.EllenGWhite.info >
> in His service, Will
Thank you for your kind words regarding of my website, it is a very rare case after I sent my letter to all Adventist world. The people do not want to see anything in the Bible if it is contradicts EW’s teachings. I became a liar, a false prophet, a demon possessed right away. The sad part is that most such kind of letters came from Adventist pastors.
I had studied your website www.EllenGWhite.info, I see you believe that EW was the prophet, but I like your approach: “You decide”, at least you are open for discussions. I did believe in that also, but not anymore. And the reason wasn’t a some book of anti-SDA preachers, the reason was my own search in the prophecies. Nothing in her teachings matches with the Bible prophecies. At first I thought that she described events of the future out of not completed visions therefore it had mistakes. In that state of my mind I was working on my message. Later I discovered more and more mistakes and I couldn’t think about her as about the prophet of God anymore. Just before the end of my work I received one of the antiSDA book (my husband ordered it when he got curious if I’m right or wrong about EW) and I posted a couple EW’s contradictions with Bible on my first page from that book. After I had received replies from some Adventists I understood that the citations were well known to them and what were obvious contradictions for me, they explained it in different way. So I took some of them away to let people read further than the first page. When people want to see a prophet, what can stop them? People see her predicted the first and second world wars, the bombs from heaven, but she just had described the scenes of Revelation: the first war after the opening the 6-th seal, the second war after the 6-th bowl, the hailstones of fire. I would go through her visions posted on your website to see what is a real base undo every her prediction, but now I do not have a time for that.
Had you ever thought why EW got too many visions? Why Daniel was awaiting for a vision from God for years, and she had received them on a regular base: 2 or 3 in a month? Yes she was a very sincere and devoted Christian, she believed she had visions from God, she made to believe in it every her reader because of her sincerity. However with all the mistakes she did how we can ever call her the prophet of God. A prophet of God never makes false predictions. Yes, she had visions, she wasn’t a liar, but they were not from God. They were result of her own psychological condition. In the age of 9 EW had a severe brain injury, she barely survived, she couldn’t breeze by her nose for 2 years, for years she couldn’t continue her education because of that. Her hands were shaking, she couldn’t concentrate. Do you really think that kind of trauma would go away for good? You can open any medical encyclopedia and search for a late post-traumatic seizures, the symptoms are varying depending of what part of brain was injured. It will explain all her visions “from God”. Her visions were nothing other, than sound and visual hallucinations of a late post-traumatic seizures. These are a very rare consequences of a serious trauma of the temporal lobe of the brain. As EW was a very religious person with a bright imagination, her hallucinations were always religious and bright. That form of seizures can be repeated on the regular base even 2 or 3 times in a month.
In your website you said “Ellen White predicted that Adventists who gave up faith in her ministry would tend to doubt the Bible”. What a strange idea. I do not doubt the Bible and never will, but I really doubt her and always will.
Dear Will, I do not write this letter with a propose to hurt you but only to clear the pass: if there are contradictions we need to decide to whom to believe, to EW or to the Bible. I chose the second.
Please, read carefully my website and give me your comments after you will done to read it. I will place your letter on my website for the discussion, and I will answer on your letter there. So, please do not miss details. There will be not only people watching, but God Himself: how far you will go to prove that EW was the prophet of His.
> Dear brother Will,
> You know, I really like your patience. It is a big pleasure for me to read
> your humbled letters, knowing that you are writing to the person who is not
> agree with you.
> As I already told, I was working on the prophecies only. I didn't have any
> interest in what E.W said about that, I saw Adventist mistakes in
> explanation of the prophecies and I tried to show to some Adventist what
> Bible says about some of the prophecies. I got the same answer from all of
> them: "EW already explained it to us, and we do not need to look for some
> another versions. What you are saying is wrong and unbiblical, because it
> contradicts...EW(?!)". Unbiblical because it contradicts EW? However it
> doesn't contradict the Bible.
> I was living with that dilemma for a long time, because I found more and
> more proof that Bible says different to what EW said. I saw in her books a
> very honest person, a person who loves God with all her heart, a person who
> had visions from God, but the visions were contradicting the Bible. When I
> said "Nothing in her teachings matches with the
> Bible prophecies" I meant that. I didn't know what to think. It was a very
> hard for me: I couldn't imagine that EW could lie and I saw the
> contradictions of her words with the Bible.
> I received the AntiSDA book when my work was almost finished. I didn't know
> before that there are anti-SDAers. I found their website links in the book
> and looked through them. In many areas I'm not agree with them. Actually I'm
> agree with them only in the issue about EW, nothing else. And even in the
> materials about EW I found too much unnecessary information. So, I don't
> think it is right to include me to their circle.
> Yes, I found the information about EW's brain injury on www.EllenWhite.org
> website. It just put all pieces of my puzzle on their places. Now I could
> have my peace in mind: I could continue to think about her as about a
> honest, God loving person, who just had wrong visions. I looked in my
> medical encyclopedia, and it confirmed that visions can be the result of a
> very serious brain trauma. No, I didn't have a such trauma, I can not tell
> you anything from my personal experiences. However if I even had it, it
> would be probably not a trauma what EW had. Remember, she barely survived.
> And a brain is a such unique organ that nobody can say for sure: with this
> trauma you will have this and this syndrome.
> Yes, I had two very little visions, which are very precious for me. When I
> was working in a big bank in Russia just before the huge financial crisis,
> there a big stuff reduction had to take place. In that time stuff reductions
> were everywhere in my city, so it was unlikely for me that I will find a
> some job fast if I would be faired. I had raised two my children alone and
> almost didn't have any support from my ex-husband. Money what I received in
> the bank were just enough to make ends meet. That was a very hard time. In
> that time I didn't have a bible, I didn't know anything from the Bible, but
> I believed in God. I prayed to Him, and He had showed me a little vision. I
> saw a huge stairway coming up to heaven. I saw a big man in white with long
> white beard sitting on the top of the stairway in the throne. And I saw myself so
> miserable and little kneeling before the stairway. I felt miserable. It was a short vision, but
> I will remember it all my life. I was a one who most likely would be fired
> with first people, because my education of Philologist wasn't a something
> that the bank needed most. However I knew that I will continue to work
> there, because the vision and comfort God gave me. I was fired only 2
> years later, when my bank was completely bankrupted and from about 150
> workers only 4 left, who were working with bankrupt papers. And after that
> God took care of us as nobody could. I would write a book how many
> miracles God had done in my life.
> The second vision was even better. I was already married my American husband
> Berry, I already read the Bible and was working on my book "I stand at the
> door and knock". One evening we were driving home after my husband's job,
> where he often was taken me to. He was at the wheel, I was sleeping. I don't
> even know how can I describe the vision. Right through my dreams a light
> flashed in my eyes, it wasn't a light from outside, it came from inside of
> me, the light was with numbers: with every flash I saw numbers 5,5,32. The
> three flashes. I awaked and thought, what was it? I was still very sleepy. In that time period I had been working on the prophecies, so I thought, what is it, May 5,1932? What happened in May 5,1932? Nothing. I fell asleep again. There was a second time the flashing with the
> same numbers. It made me curious, but I still couldn't even guess what it
> can be. I thought something wrong with me. I again close my eyes and tried
> to sleep again. And there the third time was the same thing. I couldn't
> sleep anymore. I understood that it is not my imagination. I understood that
> I need to search the answer to my flashings in the Bible. We were close to
> home, I came into the house and at first I took my Bible. There was the
> message for me. In Old and New Testament, in 5-th book, in 32 verse. Do you
> know, I really don't think that I got the 2 my visions from Satan.
> Thank you, Will. I don't know why, but I really love you. Please, read my
> work and after that make your commentary, until then there is no reason to
> discuss this.
> Your sister in Jesus (though not in EW),
Thank you for
your response. I have read all of your 29 entries regarding prophecy at
your web site and have them on my computer here, so I do know
what you are thinking. I am very familiar with the anti-Adventist anti-EGW web
sites and have engaged several of them in discussion including the one that
posted Dr. Couperus's article. What I have found is that they are not
telling the truth and when I show this, they don't want to talk to me any more.
That tells me something! The Bible tells us to warn those who are in
error. (Ezekiel 3:17-21) What will be the attitude of one who
is warned? Here it is: Gratitude and acceptance or rejection as stated
here in Proverbs 1:5, 7 A wise man will hear, and will increase
learning. . . . but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
I wouldn't bring
up Ellen White to discuss anything about her if you had not brought her up many
times in your articles about prophecy. And basically you have
dismissed her reliability about prophecy. And I'm sure you believe and
have stated that she is not reliable. We can not believe your
interpretations of prophecy if we believe she is reliable--that is plain to see.
However, what I am saying is that the many evidences that you give of her
unreliability have been proved false, most of them 50 to 125 years ago at least!
So, you have
given the things against Ellen White's reliability. Have you read or
carefully weighed the other side of the story in each of these instances you
have brought up against her reliability?
I know that the
anti-people are out there and are saying that our Bible teachings are based on
Ellen G. White. But, that is not true, but it seems that you have believed
them. I'm sorry that SDA's have been giving you the reason for our
believing basic Bible teachings by giving Ellen G. White as the
source. Shame on them for their lack of Bible knowledge.
From your prophecy
write-up, it seems apparent that in order for you to be believed, you felt that
you first had to discredit Ellen White since you mention her several times with
discrediting statements. If you want us to be selective in what errors we
see in your prophetic interpretations, we can do that, but keep in mind that you
are putting a blinder over your eyes and avoiding what is obvious errors in your
statmements about Ellen G. White. It's your web site and you can do as you
like, but the glaring errors which can easily be pointed out are the
misstatements about Ellen White--not her teachings, but simple facts:
1. A medical diagnosis of her. …
4. Bad timing. As the world's attention has
been focused on the longevity of Seventh-day Adventists by the November 2005
article in the National Geographic magazine and on their web site,(http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/sights_n_sounds/index.html),
your prophetic article downing the reliability of EGW seems like bad
timing because they got the longevity by following the directions
in the four hour non-breathing health vision she had at a funeral in 1868!
And you think it was all an epileptic seizure!
May I suggest that if you
don't want us to mention anything in our discussion questions and response to
your article that you remove all reference to Ellen G. White from your article?
Irinashka, I know that all this is hard for you to take, but please take it as
coming from good intentions and wishing the best for you personally.
With love from your brother in the Lord,
website is not about EW, it is about the prophecy. All Adventist teachings of
the prophecy are completely based on “Great Controversy” and they are wrong.
I just needed to show an Adventist point at first and after to show a Bible
point. And because all Adventist points in the prophecies are just repeating
EW’s visions, I put the source first. My website is open for discussions about
prophecies. If you think I’m wrong, please support your point with Scriptures
and I will place your letter for discussion. I read your letters, I understand
your point, I do not have any explanations to her visions, I just know God would
not show her anything that contradicts the Scriptures. You are trying to prove
that EW had visions from God by basing on the witnessing of
a couple persons. I’m proving that she did not have the visions from
basing on the witnessing of the Scriptures alone. I do not know about those
people anything, but I do know the Scriptures. So, please,
base your arguments on the Scriptures. You can do that.
About E.White’s health reform. There is nothing special in it. Vegetarianism and its benefits were known for centuries. Vegetarianism is part of many religions, most popular of which are Buddhism and Jainism in India, Taoism, Confucianism in China. E.White got her vision of health reform in 1863 (according to you - in 1868). In 1881 a vegetarian society has been founded in Paris. The founders of the society had nothing to do with E.White’s vision. The International Vegetarian Union was founded in 1908 when the first World Vegetarian Congress was held in Dresden, Germany. The idea for IVU came from the French Vegetarian Society. Since then a series of World Congresses have been held all around the world. The Vegetarian Union has nothing to do with E.White’s vision either. Sorry, but it is true.
your sister in Jesus,
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Paulien" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: "Irina Ball" <email@example.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:46 PM
> I have taken the time to read through your material. Most of the arguments
> (except for the numerical speculations) are familiar to me and I believe
> they all have significant flaws. What I fail to see is the spiritual value
> in your materials, even if they were true, which I do not believe.
> I do not question that the Spirit may have a spiritual lesson for you to
> learn. I do not find it compelling as an authoritative piece for others
> beside yourself.
> I wish you God's best.
> Jon Paulien